Same here... I just dislike the Mac... had to many problems with them. Only down time I've had was when I tried to tweak my computer with out knowing what the frell I was doing.. fried the HD :) The thing that ticks me off is the Mac people whining all over about how their systems are better, but have no support... you have one person to blame for that, just like we PC users have one person to blame for making idiot ware on the PC. For you Mac peeps, its Steve Jobs, for us PC'ers its Mr. Gates. I personally think he should have stayed with coding, as Win 3.11 was the stablest OS before Win2k/XP Pro. The other thing that is a problem with the macs is the programming language, though now with their using a Unix kernel you may see more compatibility out there. svaughan: Try having renders going in those 3 programs at the same time. I've seen Dual P4s die during that... I've been able to do it once. While Mac USED to be the preferred graphics power house, thanks to its arrogance in its belief, its lost about 2/3's of the market on it. The PC is so much easier to up-grade, and maintain. All ya do is pop off the case, pop the old part out and the new one in As soon as a Mac can do that, well they'll gain more respect among the IT and common users. Pc's are simple to learn, all ya have to do is get a book called PC's for dummies. I read the first iteration back in 94, learned everything I needed to then, and kept expanding. Right now, I can fix any PC system known to man kind save for SGI's and Unix systems. Anything else is a peice of cake.