Oh, I know not everyone can be convinced Mazak :). I just don't think she looks as bad as some folks are saying is all. I know it's a matter of taste, but I like her because she DOESN'T look like Vicky. Not to say that Vicky is bad - I have Vicky and all the trimmings and I love Vicky, but I'm pretty taken with Dina too ;). Laurie