OH. Never heard of 'em. Nothing new. I never heard of a lot of things!! Phrank-Yup you win the no prize. I have no idea why one would crush those things but... I did think it made for a nice pic. Thanks for the comment. As far as what dimendion I live in. Don't you wish you knew. As Antoonio once remarked me and my camera wind up in some strange places. Personally I wonder if I ever left them. Bsteph