I don't know what I am looking for, I simply know I haven't bought Generation 8 males in any quantity yet because I'm not seeing anything that makes me buy. And I am not comparing to Poser support, because, well who cares?, I am comparing to the amount of Genesis 3 males I have bought. The only G8 males I have bought thus far are the original M8 Pro Package, George, and the Old Guy. And frankly I haven't used any of them yet, I am still using Genesis 3. Pretty much for the females too, I have gotten more V8 content, I haven't used any of it yet. So there has been a lack of "ooo, I gotta have that!". shrug. Yeah there are some terms of "awful" and "botched" being used, all I am saying is yawn. With the Females, the selling point to me was the better facial expression controls. And again, I really haven't used it yet.