SeanMartin posted at 9:44AM Wed, 08 November 2017 - #4317577

If it were a question of character meshes and clothing, where the two are now totally incompatible, I'd believe you. But when it comes down to some pretty simple tweaks to the textures for a prop with zero rigging? You're telling me that not one single merchant at DAZ, in the past four or five years, thought there was a market for any Poser materials for something that simple? Not one?

Again, you're forgetting supply and demand... and figures drive everything else including props and scenes because those figures need places to be in and things to hold. But making props in DS is different than in poser since you don't have to strip out code in the pp2 file to get it to pass qa which is extra work. And that extra work did not translate to enough sales to make it worth vendors' while.. and that includes materials because yes, those vendors DID make exactly what you're trying to say they didn't years ago and the sales weren't worth the effort.

The whole supply-and-demand thing is a bit of a canard, sorry. It's like this place.The logic would seem to be: Men's stuff rarely sells because no one's interested in men's stuff because there isnt much out there because it doesnt sell — the prophesy can only self-fulfill so many times. If it's not out there, of course it isnt going to sell. But this is such a niche market with, according to one vendor who's been in this game for a really long time, a shrinking marketbase... so a vendor is going to say, "Well, I dont really need to make those additional sales that would come from providing this in both platforms"? Seriously?

It's not going to make sense if you insist on making it an emotional issue rather than a logical business decision. Male items are not going to sell as much as female items, but if you make good male items can get return on your investment.. but you have to settle for lower amounts of sales due to demand. Same with materials, if you're not selling enough to recoup the time for you to open (or even buy) Poser and make a bunch of material files then QA them, then they aren't going to be made. Again, won't make sense if you refuse to logically look at the effort it takes to do the work.

Sorry, I really do not buy it. That makes zero business sense. Of course, we're also talking about a platform where backwards compatability has now also been brought into question — essentially telling the user base, "Sure, we know you dropped serious coin on all that stuff that worked in previous versions of Stdio, but, hey, we dont care! Start over, ya losers!", even as they wonder why people still make things for V4 and M4.

It's not going to make business sense because quite frankly, you aren't in the business thus you don't know the process and time it takes to make these items. Not everyone can do this and even less can make a good living from it.. so choices have to be made. This is why these threads keep popping up as if someone's argument not based in fact would sway vendors to lose money. Vendors have expenses to pay for and a living to make. I have to pay a back a loan I had to take out to bury my mom, and that requires me to make choices about what I know will put money in my bank account, and those decisions comes from what my sales and experience tells me, not from someone that doesn't understand the process, but wants to dictate what vendors should be doing. So really, that's all you should need to understand from this, unless you're willing to try to sell products yourself and see how easy this isn't.

Also again, the platform does allow you to reuse products from Gen4, I've reused shirts, boots and undies from M4 and all the Genesis men. I'm also sad because I can't use my David 3 thong for my genesis men in Promos anymore because it shows too much butt cheek ;)