Male_M3dia posted at 10:54AM Wed, 15 November 2017 - #4317621

[snip] The bottom line is, you use the software that you're comfortable with and you live with the things that choice offers. We're seven years later into this argument where DAZ offered the tech to SM and they didn't want it for the many reasons that's been debated ad nauseum. SM is ultimately responsible for your content needs, so rather than complain and worry about DAZ3D is doing, that focus needs to go to SM. If they can't provide what you need, then you need to withhold your dollars from them and take them to task until they give you what you need. It seems like people are harder on the company that didn't make their software than the one that did, and I feel that's why you're not getting what you need. A competitor ultimately doesn't owe you a thing. Continuously badmouthing a competing company will get you no closer to getting the content you need, besides this type of app war discussion is against this site's TOS anyway.

Let's shift the convo back towards positively getting what you need without talking about other companies.

This right here is the true issue. If Poser users are not getting what they want for their software then the issue is with the software. Get SM to find out how to address the needs, they need to invest into the research and find a way to get that content created; i.e. buyouts, expanding their content into other stores to generate interest, commissioning, releasing or commissioning content for tutorials, resources etc. Except that they can't because quite frankly they killed the software when they refused to work with DAZ any longer. Getting rid of their entire Poser department says a lot about their view regarding the value & stability of Poser going forward and frankly you can't expect vendors to back a lame horse.

If people were actually purchasing Poser products as they used to, not just when they are on sale, clearance or marked extremely low, then the Poser market would have continued to thrive. But let's be realistic here, the most viable & accepted figure for Poser (used the most, supported the most) is still the DAZ created Victoria 4 and she was released early 2007. Once SM and DAZ stopped working together Poser began to die. It can't survive without DAZ content because they've never learned to create decent forward content for their software and have always relied on "the kindness of strangers" to do so.

SeanMartin posted at 1:03PM Wed, 15 November 2017 - #4317989

Raindroptheelf posted at 5:45AM Wed, 15 November 2017 - #4317625

I am very sorry SeanMartin but all I read from you is that you do not want to see bikinis and lingerie and sexy girls, well, many like those products and that is why you see so many of them. If they would not sell the vendors would not create them.

Right. Tell me there's such a massive market for such a repetitive format, since so many of them find their way into clearance sometimes weeks after release. But then it comes back to the same circular logic, doesnt it. All people will create are images of "sexy" women, when all that's available for them to work with is "sexy women stuff". Some of you vendors cant even put a simple prop out there without adding a "sexy" broad, even if it doesnt make sense. Believe it or not, there are times when sex isnt helping your case any, especially when it looks so blatant.

And yeah, I get tired of it. Thanks to this kind of attitude, people have taken a software that could have been innovative on so many levels and reduced it to soft core porn disguised as "art". These days, the MP doesnt even pretend to be anything but T&A. That whole "the beauty of female form as celebrated in art blah blah blah" line is now completely out the window because it got edged out by a relentless parade of "sexy" this and "hot" that and "alluring" that over there. A Vegas hooker catalog couldnt do much better.

Well, congrats, Hope it works for you. But when the vendors are whining that sales are down, you'll forgive me if I look at all of you and shake my head. You guys created this monster, now you have to live with it. Good going.

So much anger and aggression isn't going to alter anything. Nothing goes into clearance after a few weeks, that's an automated process that takes months per product not selling a single copy.

I'm not disagreeing that there is a lot of "sexy" content in the store. But like it or not it sells. If enough people actually cared as passionately as you do they would buy the other items, and there are plenty of items in the store that aren't lingerie or swimsuits. Lots of things that can even mix and match well to create some awesome looks.

As for sales being down, that has more to do with store policies than lack of interest and truth is that if sales are low on studio products they are abysmal on Poser ones. (yes I did release a poser product this year to test that).

You've been arguing that vendors should support Poser for 5 months in this thread now, at some point you have to decide how much time & energy you want to put into fussing over this and aggravating yourself no end, or you can make a choice, either; A. accept that you pretty much have everything already with over 10 years of product creation for the Generation 4 figures or B. you can learn a new software and move forward. In truth the responsibility for your software choice lies with you, lack of forward moving content lies with SM.

Of course there is an alternative, open your own Poser content only storefront and prove you're right.

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