AmbientShade posted at 10:57AM Sun, 19 November 2017 - #4318252

The one item in her store that lists Poser 11 is also compatible with DS and everything else going back to Poser 6+. So if that is the item in question, and it didn't sell well, is it really accurate to cite P11 compatibility as being the culprit?

I can't imagine there is much of anything still being made for V4 that gains that much traction in the stores anymore unless it's truly a unique product or something that is usable by multiple figures - considering her market share is pretty well exhausted. But it goes back to the long running debate about vendors not willing to support figures that aren't daz. Yet there are at least a few who do make products for non-daz figures and do very well as a result.

According to various vendors the hot list is not an accurate method of gauging how many sales a particular item gets. There are at least a few Poser products on the first few rows of the hot list right now.

Actually the item that I did this year, had no Studio MATs at all. It was completely for Poser and was an expansion for an outfit that was in the What's Hot (get to that in a moment) section, albeit not at the top, but it was the first Poser product listed for awhile. I do characters, but I mainly do clothing expansions and have for over 17 years, I also owned a brokerage store for about 10 of those years. I know the ballpark for what the numbers should be for various releases based on the current market, particularly if the expansion is for a seemingly popular set. This set is in the flash sales right now and at just over $2 is still not selling.https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/7th-ave-mmcutie-rb-dresssetforv4elitea4/120307</https:>

Keep in mind when I did this set I was pretty sure it would do badly, so I didn't go into it expecting better. But people, like those in this thread, kept pressuring me to go back to Poser. I was hoping to be surprised though, because as I've stated Poser is my first love.

Your point about anything for V4 not having that much traction is actually big part of the problem with Poser, because no other figure is being used for any version of Poser more prolifically than V4. It's actually part of the problem, as I've said repeatedly. The fault of that lies with SM not with the Vendors. If Poser is going to survive long term much less be regenerated than it absolutely needs a figure that can compete with Genesis.

There is no vendor I know of that is doing only non-daz figures and doing "very well". Then again my concept of very well and theirs may vary. I may have missed someone doing so though.

As for the Hot List, it is an actual representation of popularity, or volume purchased or gifted. Currently in the first 20 spaces of What's Hot there is 1 Poser item, a hair product by Biscuits. Now I don't use Poser but I do buy most of Biscuits hair because there are fits for G3/G8 included and I use Iray shader by OOT for them. However, this set actually now includes Studio MATs.

Hair, props and architecture may be marked as Poser products, but there are enough available shader products out there to convert them to Studio and the buyers for those are not just Poser users. That is missing for Poser users.

Knowing top selling vendors that have created products for various figures their sales follow a specific pattern; the newest Genesis female, then V4, then Dawn. The gap in sales for them between the newest genesis female and them V4 is rather large, and between v4 and Dawn it's like an abyss. Most of them stopped creating for Poser preferred figures because of that. I know of some vendors who have left this genre because Poser products didn't sell anymore and others who have stated they may retire if it stays like this.

I was one of those, I knew that if I couldn't get Studio to work on my system that I would have to retire because Poser sales were so bad. I did not want to switch to Studio. Once I did & adjusted I found that everything was so much simpler in Studio. I could work, create art/products in far less steps than I could with Poser and the difference in sales was extreme..

I've actually seen posts here where people will say something along the lines of "DAZ is selling V4 items crazy cheap, I just bought a whole bunch of it! Go and buy it that will show them there is still an interest in V4!" Seriously, I've seen very similar comments posted here in different words. That doesn't show anyone that there is still an interest in V4 products it shows them that those users are only willing to buy V4 items when they are dirt cheap.

AmbientShade posted at 11:39AM Sun, 19 November 2017 - #4318263

Pretending Poser is impossible for people to make content for doesn't make it true.

It's not that it's impossible to work with, it's that the effort to do so isn't paying out in the long run. If it were vendors would be doing it.

It's honestly time to stop blaming vendors for lack of products for Poser because that doesn't exactly make them want to invest the time, and instead look to the software company.

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