wimvdb posted at 11:09PM Sun, 26 November 2017 - #4318705

MartinX posted at 4:48AM Mon, 27 November 2017 - #4318699

"BTW, let me know when a DS vendor figures out how to make movement morphs for their clothing"

Most of them have tons of movement morphs. It helps if you look at the what's included list. If you are going to make an argument, please do so without bias.

" Because I need more than early 20's Caucasians. Each mesh may only have 2 or 3 separate ethnic characters, BUT with enough base characters, I can get a nice, diverse group. Try that with only using 1 base figure. As a Poser user, I can do that, because I have many more figures available to me."

You can get all that on one base and be able to blend them together. Nothing is more powerful than that system. Why do you think more people use it? The days of loading different meshes for specific characters are long gone my friend, when they can all exist on a single mesh. The G tech is the standard for figure diversity and flexibility. Please loose the old school way of thinking. It is not convenient at all. If this is your argument then sadly you have failed.

Ok you talk all this Oh Poser can do this and that. Can we see your results? Let us put your theories to the test. Let us see if your images based on your preferences are of standard that most uses want as an end result vs effort involved. Let us see if your comments can be justified end result wise, or if it is just personal preference. Show us some of your work?

And can we see YOUR results?

I'll accept MartinX's challenge....

MartinX will start moving the goal posts, just as he did here. I don't see DS characters out it the wild (outside of 3d porn), but I do see the SM figures - sometimes in the most unlikely places. The reality is that Poser is the 3d worlds dirty little secret. If you need to whip something up using human figures on a very tight deadline, a lot of art departments whip out their copy of Poser, pose the SM figures and import it into another part of their workflow - which is why I see the SM figures at the grocery store, on safety cards when I am flying, etc.

What he is demanding is subjective, which is precisely why he moved those goal posts. All images are based on the artist's personal preferences, as I am sure he is well aware of. In the end, he is demanding that I work within his views as to what DS "uses" want. Like I care what they want.

There are two schools of thought on figures - right tool for the right job, or try to do everything with one tool. I belong to the former.

My position is that in Poser, clothing is divorced from figures. As such, I can use any character that strikes my fancy. As an example (V4 Courageous Test):

In this example, I have from left to right - Dawn, Kez, The Girl (V3 gen), Michelle, Anastasia (Alyson 2), P6 Jessi, Miki 2, Mariko, G2 Jessi, & V3. I don't have Roxie, or Pauline here (running out of memory) - and Eroko is still tied up down in security (Bonus points if you get the reference.) The only thing that is difficult to move is shoes. There is no 1-click solution for those, since it depends on how the base character's foot is posed.

My position is that I have more characters to choose from than he does. I can use every one he does, along with literally hundreds that he can't.

My position is that I can put any character into any outfit. I can use every outfit he can use, along with literally hundreds that he can't - short of pulling it into a modeling program and rebuilding it.

My position is that I don't have to go buy a bunch of new characters, outfits, etc every time a new version of Poser is released. I can simply leverage what I already own, and add new tech to legacy meshes, which lowers my TCO costs.

My question is how does MartinX get the V4 Courageous outfit on non-g figures in DS.

Outside of the DS version of Dawn, the answer is that he can't - so he will prattle on about he he doesn't "need" or "want" any non-g figure.

I'm guessing that DS users are getting a little concerned with Project E just having a projected Xmas release date. We usually see an uptick of concern trolls when a new Poser figure approaches release.

Poser Pro 11 - 40 acres and a mule.......