hmmm, I read not everything carefully in this threat - due to my short time everytime ... So what to say to you Crazy Bill ... that's not easy - I once collected many warez. But it was only for the reason I simply couldn't afford them (yes, I know - you should then not use them etc - but every company expected you to know about this and that product :-| ). So I absolutely understand why people are using warez - and this is not such a bad thing (in my eyes) if you buy the products later one - once you can afford them. I - for example - did the same. But using them and selling them are two things: Crazy Bill, did you ever think about your job - or your fathers/mothers job ?? - Did they ever came home (or yourself) telling you they lost your job because someone stole their companies ideas and sold the idea just for the fun for a cheaper price ?? Do you ever think about that people have to pay their food from what they doing with their ideas ?? - Making a 3D-Model or even more - a total programm - isn't a 5-minute-job. You can copy it in 5 minutes store it on a webserver and destroy a half year of their work :o(. Funny, you think - I can destroy someones life. May god have mercy for you if you're thinking about this like that. But I think you're not that ignorant. So far to you Crazy Bill - now to the ones who "buy" such things ... or download it: I absolutely understand (I don't mean this is right) if you're using a warez-version of 3D-Studio-Max etc. to convert this and that object or just want to try it out - but everyone of you should end this behaviour somewhen - if you're going to make money with it or use it more and more often you should re-think your position and maybe buy such a product and if you still can't effort to buy it so use another less-priced product (to keep in our example: maybe Truespace or Raydream). And for yourself counts the same then for Crazy Bill - think about what you're doing - you won't get any new models if the artist who originally made the object is now living on the street - because he lost his income - you think that's overacting ... read about Bushi who lost his job - it wasn't because of warez (afaik) - but if you (the one who uses warez without any doubts) and everyone go on like this it ends up in this. I don't mind if you send a file (for example a pose of me) to a friend ... this won't kill me. But there are limits - and you should know when you cross them.