I have Painter 3D...bought it brand new on Ebay. Opened it up, couldn't make heads or tails of it. Tried to learn it one or two more times and haven't used it since. It's gotta be the most ridiculously arranged and illogically laid out program I've ever used. Argh!! I do all my textures in Photoshop or PSP now. Had to get PSP so I could use the Jungle Bundle 3D. And that's the only thing I use THAT for...LOL. Sigh - so much wasted money on software :(. Laurie