Watch to the end... fun! (music also by me)

This is Project Evolution.

I think I will stay with the 'Project' part because after release, which I hope will be this xmas, I doubt that work on her will cease. She will probably entirely live up to her name. There is so much I still want to do. In a way I really hope that vendors will take certain parts over from me. Project Evolution is huge, I can barely keep up with the feedback I'm getting from my betas. Project Evolution is extremely ambitious. She is attempting to do several things at once:

• Give you a fun and high-spec realistic looking lady in your Poser scenes
• Overcome your Poser figure trauma / skepticism with a pure Poser-tech figure
• Convince some old-school tech-nuts of some pretty outrageous rigging
• provide a fast way to rig complex clothing for this figure

Why?

I've gone over this story so many times in my head, why bother make Project Evolution? I can list a lot of different reasons, like I've done for years, from feeling challenged, to feeling defiant, for wanting money, for wanting something different, to just fulfill a promise... but the one reason that kept on pushing me on, was seeing my friends and fellow artists struggle to decide to stay with their current software, or migrate to a new one just for the figures ... that didn't sit well with me at all. Without saying anything about the software, switching working environments is not a joke, especially for people heavily invested in that environment (I mean heavily). And what made it worse, is that Poser was very capable of most of the things that my friends wanted, all that was needed is some idiot to do it. Was I to be that idiot?

Now, I'm in a bit of a unique position when it comes to Poser. Without sounding like a total snob, but probably sounding like one anyway, I'm actually independent of the whole figure circus: I can make my own stuff. I made just about all the content for my first three comics myself. I shouldn't even need to worry. Poser is great because its a super simplified version of Max, or C4D. I love it, for comics, Poser is THE sh!t, despite its issues. But not everyone has the time, or experience I have. And some of these people are my buddies that I spend a lot of time with, farting around with render battles, goofing around with characters posing and acting out the most hilarious stuff that I can bore you with in chatrooms about. They struggled to uproot themselves and find a new way. I felt bad for them. I couldn't hand over my Victoria 4.LaliBits.v32.markVIII.Karat24.Hybrid.X23.cr2 to every Poser user I wanted to help. DAZ would take me to town for that.

So you could say: ok you dumbass, why didn't you just take some Poser figure, like Dawn, or Pauline, or even Genesis 2, and work on them instead of making an entire figure yourself? Well, they all have 'some issue' don't they? Now before I invite every fan club of every Poser figure out there to come defend their figure here, this is not an attack, this is an approach.

There are many ways to approach the whole figure design for a CGI application, and it entirely depends on what it is that you want to do with this figure. Many approaches, no matter how cleverly thought out, will be met with limitations. Guys, even this one will have limitations. Even DAZ weren't free of this as they developed their figures. They've done an amazing job with their figures so far, attractive, versatile, well supported. But this is only relevant to people that really want all that. Some folks are just happy with Pauline, and they mean it. Look in the galleries, a Pauline posed with a nice set of hair with some dress, and boom, fun. They're happy. That's the whole point. Nothing to argue there can you?

But there's also another caliber of artist out there that are more demanding... I mean VERY demanding. Like bordering on evil demanding. I am not even the worst. And you need to let us exist. Some of the art that my buddies crank out put me to shame, with the amount of detail they put into it. I once spent two days revamping my own version of V4 for a friend of mine, detailed to the nines, and he still complained about it. Picky! But that is art for you... Roxie wouldn't even register in the dude's brain. He's a master, he deserves a good figure.

So yeah there are demands, and all figures will have their limitations. 'Some issue' could be anything from not having enough polys, to having rigging that would have to be done from the ground up anyway, not having genitalia, looking weird, from just not being native to Poser, sure, you could re-design an existing figure, fashion loads of work-arounds and constructions to get past the legal issues... but how about just being independent of all that? If you're going to go through all that trouble to fix a pre-existing figure... why not just make your own?

Boom. Project Evolution.

I did my best folks, I hope it will work for you!

disclaimer: if I die before xmas, don't hold me accountable. Thnx

yeah maybe some nudity involved too... ahem

Hi Ero, thank you for this figure. Thanks for all the effort, you put in her. I guess, we owe you some hair, some years and some extra vacation. You said, you did the best you can. We were watching the devel... evolution for years. We know for sure, you did your best. You did better, than most of us ever could. It is now time for you to lean back and relax. The rest is now up to us. To make our scenes, our wardrope, our morphs, our poses, our stories, our images with her. Again thank you.

So many words to describe: Awesome, Impressive, Excellent... I'm glad I came back to PoserLand for this. Great Job on her, erogenesis!

Looks amazing. Now I have to upgrade to use the bloody thing.

Have to see if Claire will agree to a bit of spending after Christmas.

Here are some pictures of the project from the other threads. Betas, you can now to post your stuff here too!!!!!

thank you very much Timber, jartz and Sam! I hope this will work for you all!

The default face looks very much like my grand-niece.

Woot! Looks great Erogenesis!

Excellent! The expressions look fantastic and the body shapes make her super versatile!

Will she still be sold here at Renderosity as well? Assuming she's submitted, tested, and accepted, of course.

tiggersprings posted at 9:20PM Tue, 19 December 2017 - #4320598

Will she still be sold here at Renderosity as well? Assuming she's submitted, tested, and accepted, of course.

According to the info panel showing the wireframes, it will be sold at Rendo.

She's so much fun to work with! I love what Ero's done with the handles and the rigging. Here's a little sample of what I've been doing with her. :)

She's very easy to pose too!

Here a PE render with a dynamic v4 cloth.

SamTherapy posted at 4:51PM Tue, 19 December 2017 - #4320602

tiggersprings posted at 9:20PM Tue, 19 December 2017 - #4320598

Will she still be sold here at Renderosity as well? Assuming she's submitted, tested, and accepted, of course.

According to the info panel showing the wireframes, it will be sold at Rendo.

Ah. Ok. The video page just mentioned CGBtytes between Christmas and New Year. I'd prefer to buy here, if possible.

This is PE's built-in Nordic Girl character morph, V4 Hot Dress converted using the included system for easily adapting V4 clothing to PE, Ali's hair 162, and Alisia high heels for G3F rigged to conform to PE. The dudes are Hero David and Hero Antoine (not yet posted to freebies) for Paul wearing the Classic Tuxedo for G3M. The makeup is Antenais's classic G2.

This is the included Night Elf character with V4 Ranger converted using the provided system, Allessa hair V4, Atenais's Classic G2 makeup.

The Smexey Layday built-in character morph with V4 Pussycat converted using the supplied system, Gregoria hair, and Atenais Classic G2 makeup.

I'm looking forward to the release, although is there an inkling to price?

erogenesis ,We can't ask for more then your best and I'm sure she's killer. but there's always haters n trollers ,that's not worthy to call them self's Artist so just ignore them.

about you disclaimer ,Your just not aloud to die before xmas but it wouldn't hurt to leave Project Evolution to the Poser community when you go to that great big CGI community in the sky Decades n Decades from now.

The Basic Girl

Bantu Lady . AS hair .

Perfect Lady for everybody,

RorrKonn posted at 3:01PM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320643

erogenesis ,We can't ask for more then your best and I'm sure she's killer. but there's always haters n trollers ,that's not worthy to call them self's Artist so just ignore them.

there are no haters, if you've done a good job.

RorrKonn posted at 3:59PM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320643

erogenesis ,We can't ask for more then your best and I'm sure she's killer. but there's always haters n trollers ,that's not worthy to call them self's Artist so just ignore them.

So far I cannot complain. Nobody has been a-hatin' on PE yet. Maybe after she's out that might change lol But maybe it might not be so bad because I'm really not going to be stupid and promise the world to people. That's when you're just asking for it. I think everyone kind of knows the deal with PE by now. If she works for you, great, if not, no problem, there's always V4, Dawn, Genesis, and who knows Bella and maybe even Ambientshade's figures.

But yeah one of the hardest parts about a project like this, is knowing you cannot make everyone happy. So many decisions get made along the way in the tiniest corners of development, and each of them could be a colossal screw-up in the end, for just that one person, or group of artists. So yeah, like I said, I went with my instincts as an artist, basically making the perfect girl for me, but with my friends in mind. I hope that works out for others too!

RorrKonn posted at 3:59PM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320643

about you disclaimer ,Your just not aloud to die before xmas but it wouldn't hurt to leave Project Evolution to the Poser community when you go to that great big CGI community in the sky Decades n Decades from now.

lol. I have no problem at all with handing her over to other people, as long as I still get to guarantee some control over the project.

I don't expect it to be 100% perfect. What I don't like is sloppyness and thinking they get away with this. This is so SmithMicro. What is different, this time is, that we could watch, how this baby has come alive. We have been updated almost monthley about PE status for years. We all were updated, on what issue Ero is working on. To be honest, most of us even didn't know, there was an issue like this. And we have thousands of renders showing Pe's bending abilities. This is why people trust in his work. My very first adjustment on PE would be most likeley changing proportions. Height, body part scale ect. The next and most difficult step for me is, how the hell can I get a Roxy character out of her? ;-)

About pricing and selling.

I'm kicking this baby off at CGbytes hopefully at Xmas, if not then just after (it also needs to be Q&A'd). CGbytes was practically made for Project Evolution because my main location Renderotica wouldn't be a suitable place to host something like this. The manager of CGbytes invested a lot in me and PE for years, it was also his idea in a way, so we do owe him some support. Its a very safe place, a lot of work went into it, and with the release imminent, you will be seeing some changes at CGbytes soon. Renderosity knows about the deal and they're supporting it anyway. They've supported figures from other stores for years, and they really want so see Project Evolution kick off too. I think we Poser users all really want a fun and crazy new Poser figure that doesn't hold back in any way, don't we?

But guys this is probably just the tip of the iceberg. So much can change still and it all depends on you. I will be listening, vendors will be listening. There's also much I still want to do but I won't be able to get it all done this year. The important thing is to get the ball rolling. The betas have been having fun with her and helping iron out the kinks. I'm working on the last beta version for the final test. The girl is actually just ready and I want to throw her at you and see what happens.

Pricing... not entirely finalized. My initial idea was to sell her in bits and pieces, in modules, but that doesn't give vendors the freedom they need to create wild characters for you, and we definitely want that, right? So it might be the whole thing for now. There will probably be a free demo version, which I will make available here too, but its just a very basic version to get an idea. It will definitely be a fair price lol!

-Timberwolf- posted at 4:55PM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320667

My very first adjustment on PE would be most likeley changing proportions. Height, body part scale ect. The next and most difficult step for me is, how the hell can I get a Roxy character out of her? ;-)

haha, don't worry, we'll make a plan

erogenesis posted at 4:49PM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320668

About pricing and selling.

Pricing... not entirely finalized. My initial idea was to sell her in bits and pieces, in modules, but that doesn't give vendors the freedom they need to create wild characters for you, and we definitely want that, right? So it might be the whole thing for now. There will probably be a free demo version, which I will make available here too, but its just a very basic version to get an idea. It will definitely be a fair price lol!

Haha, I am used to DAZ Complete Figure Bundle prizes. Don't worry. How much worse can it get?

erogenesis posted at 9:54AM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320668

About pricing and selling.

I'm kicking this baby off at CGbytes hopefully at Xmas, if not then just after (it also needs to be Q&A'd). CGbytes was practically made for Project Evolution because my main location Renderotica wouldn't be a suitable place to host something like this. The manager of CGbytes invested a lot in me and PE for years, it was also his idea in a way, so we do owe him some support. Its a very safe place, a lot of work went into it, and with the release imminent, you will be seeing some changes at CGbytes soon. Renderosity knows about the deal and they're supporting it anyway. They've supported figures from other stores for years, and they really want so see Project Evolution kick off too. I think we Poser users all really want a fun and crazy new Poser figure that doesn't hold back in any way, don't we?

So the base won't be available here or just not right away? I don't shop at small, third-party sites. I have too much content that is irreplaceable from when I used to shop at smaller stores that have disappeared (usually without notice). Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding. I haven't had enough caffeine.

tiggersprings posted at 4:58PM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320673

erogenesis posted at 9:54AM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320668

About pricing and selling.

I'm kicking this baby off at CGbytes hopefully at Xmas, if not then just after (it also needs to be Q&A'd). CGbytes was practically made for Project Evolution because my main location Renderotica wouldn't be a suitable place to host something like this. The manager of CGbytes invested a lot in me and PE for years, it was also his idea in a way, so we do owe him some support. Its a very safe place, a lot of work went into it, and with the release imminent, you will be seeing some changes at CGbytes soon. Renderosity knows about the deal and they're supporting it anyway. They've supported figures from other stores for years, and they really want so see Project Evolution kick off too. I think we Poser users all really want a fun and crazy new Poser figure that doesn't hold back in any way, don't we?

So the base won't be available here or just not right away? I don't shop at small, third-party sites. I have too much content that is irreplaceable from when I used to shop at smaller stores that have disappeared. Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding. I haven't had enough caffeine.

don't worry cgBytes is not a small 3rd party site. It is as trustfull as any other Rendo, DAZ site. You can pay with Paypal, if you like.

-Timberwolf- posted at 10:10AM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320675

don't worry cgBytes is not a small 3rd party site. It is as trustfull as any other Rendo, DAZ site. You can pay with Paypal, if you like.

I'll have to think about it, but after the drive malfunction I had earlier this year, I'm really not comfortable shopping at other sites and losing more content from a store that may have just up and disappeared one morning. I got lucky with the great drive disaster of 2017 and didn't lose a lot that I care terribly about, but still the ones I lost were things I paid for. I didn't think Paypal would be an option at CGBytes because they have some more risque products. So that's something I didn't know.

tiggersprings , I had,have Floppys ,CD's ,Flashes etc etc. External Hard Drives are big enough n every thing is in one place .very nice ,neat n fast. I LOVE !!! External Hard Drives.

Timberwolf ,Cockroaches trollers n haters will survive Armageddon.

Very lovely clothing, Karanta.

RorrKonn posted at 11:40AM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320691

tiggersprings , I had,have Floppys ,CD's ,Flashes etc etc. External Hard Drives are big enough n every thing is in one place .very nice ,neat n fast. I LOVE !!! External Hard Drives.

Timberwolf ,Cockroaches trollers n haters will survive Armageddon.

I don't want to derail Ero's thread on his lovely new figure, but here's what happened to me earlier this year: http://fav.me/dbx7cfr Sometimes multiple backups are still flawed and one still loses purchased content, not to mention a lot of other tings.

Thanks Tigger :)

A few more renders to showcase PE's versatility and character range.

I half to say all the renders look really great PE is killer & noiseless renders are a beautiful thing.

erogenesis I got a tower routers switches n all and if I get my unsavvy tech self to get it to work it will be a xmas miracle. and I did it all ALL just for PE ;) Anyways now I need some change for Cigs. So what's the rules for being a PE vender ?

Here's an example of a character built with the included morphs, which are extensive!

Might I suggest you make scenes to go with PE .lights poses cloths hair etc etc .and make Ready to Render scenes. So when they load PE n hit render n post there renders they look killer. Wouldn't have hurt if Pauline 2 would have had Ready to Render scenes. A good sales man will sell more bad cars ,The a bad sales man selling good cars.

What I like most about her is that she doesn't look like a stick figure - she looks real which is no small accomplishment eg :) It seems to be especially noticeable in the shoulder/arm area. Just my impression so far.

I'll try crank out some simple scenes, not sure if I'll have the time this year lol.

Just getting the materials in order!

erogenesis posted at 3:40PM Thu, 21 December 2017 - #4320669

-Timberwolf- posted at 4:55PM Wed, 20 December 2017 - #4320667

My very first adjustment on PE would be most likeley changing proportions. Height, body part scale ect. The next and most difficult step for me is, how the hell can I get a Roxy character out of her? ;-)

haha, don't worry, we'll make a plan

Thank you very much. I actually will come back to that. Till now, I don't have any idea, how to do that. I guess, I'm gonna go with a trial and error process. ;-)

Meh. It's not bad but I bet it can't morph into a Dalek. ;)

Seriously impressive..... I have some of your items from the place that can't be mentioned, always top quality stuff. Can't wait for this, hopefully a figure that I can use instead of V4...

You can mention Renderotica, you just can't link to it.

Watch:

Renderotica, Renderotica, rEnDeRoTiCa, ReNdErOtIcA, RENDEROTICA!!! On toast. Doubled. Squared. Cubed. Times a million. With knobs on.

World ain't exploded yet.

Here are a sample of expressions I created using the face handles, which are extremely flexible. I've done expressions for comic book heroines and villainess, sultry, and winsome.

Angry

Battle Desperate

Evil Intent

Fury

Lick Teeth

Pissed