yeah Mark that is good but not everyone is into animation. Some of us dunderheads just want a good well supported figure(s) that we can get a sheitz-load of stuff for to create our images. I need decent body morphs I can use to make a plethora of different characters using the same dumb figure....spin those dials!.....spin those dials! I usually no longer buy characters created by others unless they include a new and different texture/prop set I can really use immediately in my stupid images. I can generally spin my own dials to get what I need for an idea! That is all. Lacking in a somewhat realistic figure creation capability those other figures died for me. Dawn needs a better hip/gen set up for my needs. It is too bad Chris and Hivewire decided what he did to minimize her potential but I guess they just din not want her to wind up on Renderotica scene. So I no use....and I post very little on Renderotica scene anyway. So their loss. Vicki 4 with all her faults with ll the 3rd party morphs and fixes has been keeping me in the visual grins for some time and hope she will continue doing so.