May I ask a question? Why is it so hard to develop for Poser now? How do we fix that? I checked it out and P11 pro looks like a pretty neat program with an emphasis on animation and render options not present in Daz. I would rather not spend a lot of money on the software, but if I were to start making things, I don't see how I could put them out for Poser people without having a copy of Poser for testing. I have a copy of Poser 7 I bought years ago, but I didn't really fall in love with it and circumstances prevented spending much time with it. Obviously not latest or greatest. I envision workflow going from Blender to Daz/Poser. The Daz part seems pretty clear. Not sure about Poser. I have to ask the question.

May I make a long-winded statement? You don't have to read it, but I'll read any replies. I got Daz because Daz was free and I spent a fair amount of money on content. I never bought content before. I actually bought a lot of V4 stuff because it looked good and it was really cheap. I supplemented what I spent with the deluge of free stuff Daz pours out over the holidays, including a V7 Pro pack. So, I have V7. I have samples of all the generations of figures. I have so much stuff that it is taking me time to process what I've got. Also, Daz is a surprisingly deep and competent program. I don't know what I expected, but the more I work with it, the more impressed I am.

At the same time, I buy stuff here. I love Maddelirium's figures and I'm most pleased with various items I've bought from Sabby, Vyktohria, Exnem, Sveva, Seven, Silver and on. Imho, very talented people here. I actually let my PC+ lapse so I could pay more attention to vendors here. I'm still accumulating stuff at an alarming rate. Somehow, I ended up with a comp Prime subscription in February and we just had the Easter Grab Bag. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

I have my own thought about V4. She will be around as long as her stuff sells. She has a lot of stuff, and a lot of it is really good. As an executive at FB once said, the winner is not the best product. It's the product everyone uses. If people still use V4, V4 will stay. Compatibility goes both ways and there are V4 clones for all the Genesis figures. V4 content may live forever. And why not?

I have read a lot of arguments for why the new figures must ultimately win, and I'm not totally convinced. All these figures are globs of geometry with bones stuck in them and textures stuck on them. I've read some say, Dual Quaternion Skin. Yeah. I found some white papers. That's not inherent to the figure. It's a feature of the 3D engine. Mathematically, it's a different way of handling bone-driven geometry. There's also a spherical method. Same with SSS, It's not a feature of the figure. It's a feature of the render engine. If you load V4 geometry and rig it in a program that has a DQS engine, V4 will have DQS. If a figure has a problem with articulation, one can correct that through a combination of morph, bone adjustment and mesh smoothing. Right?

As an aside, I've ended up with a ridiculous collection of M4/V4 pose and parameter morphs. I had a complaint that Daz figures seemed to lack nasolabial folds. That's actually false. It's in the morphs. I'm using them and making my characters look a little different. I know. Proof is in the renders. I will supply when I'm comfortable to show the work. Sorry. Still working through the various texture methods. Patience. Thanks

Let's move on to clothing fit. I expect any item of clothing, prop, or accessory can be fitted to most any figure. I'm researching and experimenting. So far, seems to be true. I don't know what other people are doing, but I looked for info on fitting clothes and I learned how to unhide the scale tools and how to apply mesh smooth modifier to make clothes fit, no poke-through. Once I had the controls, making clothes fit was easy. I put V4 stuff on G3 figures, I put G3 stuff on V4. I know. G8 is the now. I'll get there. I have stuff