The real cr*p happening in Poser forums is, they act like in a cult. Don't post your opinion, that does not go with the crowd and you are accused to be a troll as part of the evil DAZ conspiracy. That is just crazy. Actually I think, the decay of Poser came with those V4 only users. They brought Poser down. They don't care about how well their figure is, they don't see, that V4 bends like a piece of dry wood and is therefore only useful in portraits. The V4 users mantra is: "I bought so much stuff, I won't switch." Then why should SM invest in really improving Poser? Why would they release cool figures, when that crowd is still using V4 only? SM can lean back and sell the same stuff over and over again including some free modules every new version as a tease. For the majority of the V4 people Poser 7 mostley would be enough. @ Karina: your Sasha 16 is amazing and awsome - small problem still, she is about 10 years late. A product like this released in 2008, I might have become a V4 user too. last but not least, I just can't stand all those V4s in the galleries anymore. yawn Beside some small amount of real good examples, the majority is ... well... below "expected skill level". Use more than those unbalance pregiven one shin up poses. Stop those "one eye blink tongue out" expressions. No more fairies on a mushroom, please. Light set up are a cool thing that People urgently shoul think about. Seriousley, it's a PITA to watch the e.g. DeviantArt galleries using V4. Go drop V4, it won't hurt. There are two new kids on the block to play with. Bella and Project Evolution. You can even convert your V4 stuff to PE now. Now with my comment, twolf359 and Male_M3dia don't look as much like Trolls anymore, isn't it? so yeah, I'm glad I could help.