OK, here's the advantage of Dina: 1) More polys = greater detail ALL over 2) Greater morph potential because of #1 3) Much more realistic face 4) The MOST realistic genitalia 5) Superior bending and posing 6) Excellent texture map 7) Little or no post required to a rendered image 8) Breasts are much more rounded and smooth 9) Mouth detail; individual teeth can be seen 10) Reasonable price Hope this clarifies for everyone. I'm quite impressed with Dina! And BTW, Blitter, I did extensive research before I bought Dina. There are a number of gallery images made with her. You should go look; I became convinced in a few days to buy her. Also I think DACORT has a web page showing a detailed comparison between P4, Vick, and Dina.....that really helped my decision-making.......there are plenty of pics that show Dina's advantages...... Krel