@Slynk - exactly, that's the point I'm making. The rejection is, in most cases, unfounded. It's a confidence thing.... @Bill - yeah, I agree about the age thing - I wasn't really a confident child (until I hit puberty and realised how lucky I was, but thats another story! lol) but now lately with the comments I've had and the response of people I'm getting there! @Gabe - I just wish I'd had the balls to do it sooner.... I've missed out on so much already, this is just to get experience so I can go on to other things.... Cheers all! (",)