Yep no groups show up, and a lot of body parts in the hierarchy editor. Weird part is product has a Dson core installer, and I have used that several times in the past and it doesn't seem to work with this product either. Hair has no morphs other then fit morphs. Product is Curler Hair for Genesis 8 Female(s) . Yes I have Poser 11 Pro. I think I will just use the object, save as a prop and use magnets as needed to fit better the around the back of the neck

Gary

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