razorback? I worked with the folks at Daz for over a week without resolve for my problem. I just flat gave up for a month. When my level of frustration had reduced, I decided to try Renderosity's forum. So far, no workable fix. To subtly intimate I had ulterior motives by implying I am 'overworking this problem' is bordering on being disingenuous. I know of no one who would put themselves through hours and hours of headaches because of inexplicable instances in a 3d program. I came here for help and not accusations. Most people have been more than helpful in their intent. My problem is not with anyone offering help, but with a faulty platform. I am happy you have had good luck with Daz. My experience has been otherwise. I am sorry if I stepped on the toes of your 'baby'. Rest assured, I would have been every bit as vocal had it been a competing program with similar issues. You seem oblivious with the Daz Platform having issues. I'm not sure about here, but if you will check the DAZ3d Daz forums, you will find hundreds of pages of issues regarding the Daz platform. If I seem as if I've been unduly unfair to you, please be aware it is borne out of weeks of frustration.