I did not know where I could post this topic. I apologize in advance if I have made a wrong place.

A few days ago on the Daz website I was going to buy a product for Kids4 (it was an add-on by Esha) but, by clicking on it I realize that the product needs the geometry (of Esha also that). It no longer exists. Well. I write to Daz saying that I was interested in the product (the one still on sale) but I would have served the original geometry. They replied that the starting product had discontinuous sales and therefore had been removed. They also thanked me for noticing the add-on still on the market, removing that too. Let me buy them no ???? Why lose sales this way?

That's DAZ for you. Have you tried getting in touch with Esha to see if you can purchase the products directly from her? Some long time vendors do that.

Miss B posted at 1:18PM Wed, 09 January 2019 - #4343358

That's DAZ for you. Have you tried getting in touch with Esha to see if you can purchase the products directly from her? Some long time vendors do that.

That's not DAZ for you, as a mod at another site you should know better to make these types of comments. A vendor can have any item removed from a store at any time for any reason as the product belongs to them, not DAZ. Since Esha is a current PA you could ask, however if she partnered with another person for that product and that PA was culled or requested it removed, she may not be able to give you the product without the permission of the other person.

The products are both of Esha only

If the product was removed for lack of sales, then that is a reasonable decision. Renderosity also does that, as do a lot of other sites.

Also a PA/vendor may feel that those old products are not reflective of the quality of their current work and remove them from the marketplace. PAs, especially those of us that have been doing it for years, have done as well.

Male_M3dia posted at 3:53PM Wed, 09 January 2019 - #4343362

That's not DAZ for you, as a mod at another site you should know better to make these types of comments. A vendor can have any item removed from a store at any time for any reason as the product belongs to them, not DAZ. Since Esha is a current PA you could ask, however if she partnered with another person for that product and that PA was culled or requested it removed, she may not be able to give you the product without the permission of the other person.

Ohhhh, I see, so Esha asked DAZ to remove the original product for lack of sales, but didn't ask DAZ to remove the add-on product as well? Odd that, since they finally removed it only after RAGraphicDesign asked about it. Hmmmm, I wonder if Esha had any say in that decision, or do you think the add-on was still having good sales even though the original product it was made for was no longer available in the store?

I can certainly understand a vendor deciding to drop something from their store, either for lack of sales, or it's old and may not reflect the quality of their current products, but I often find I'm wondering why something that looks good is no longer available. It especially annoys me here in the Marketplace, when I find it still in the store, but the "Purchase" button now reads "Unavailable". If you're going to remove a product, for one reason or another, remove it totally.

Miss B posted at 6:16PM Wed, 09 January 2019 - #4343375

Male_M3dia posted at 3:53PM Wed, 09 January 2019 - #4343362

That's not DAZ for you, as a mod at another site you should know better to make these types of comments. A vendor can have any item removed from a store at any time for any reason as the product belongs to them, not DAZ. Since Esha is a current PA you could ask, however if she partnered with another person for that product and that PA was culled or requested it removed, she may not be able to give you the product without the permission of the other person.

Ohhhh, I see, so Esha asked DAZ to remove the original product for lack of sales, but didn't ask DAZ to remove the add-on product as well? Odd that, since they finally removed it only after RAGraphicDesign asked about it. Hmmmm, I wonder if Esha had any say in that decision, or do you think the add-on was still having good sales even though the original product it was made for was no longer available in the store?

I can certainly understand a vendor deciding to drop something from their store, either for lack of sales, or it's old and may not reflect the quality of their current products, but I often find I'm wondering why something that looks good is no longer available. It especially annoys me here in the Marketplace, when I find it still in the store, but the "Purchase" button now reads "Unavailable". If you're going to remove a product, for one reason or another, remove it totally.

There could be any number of reasons for a item to be removed, and if an item was missed, then it appears to rectified. But we're all grown up enough not to speculate without the proper information handy and always blame DAZ. Esha is PA in good standing with regular releases, so this was probably a requested cull of the original item and this addon was missed. Culling individual items by sales would be a massive amount of work to constantly do; there is criteria in place for underperforming/inactive PAs though. Although some may visit stores that really don't have content enough to cull, larger stores like Rendo and DAZ have different ways of handling removed items and sometimes things are missed as every one is human and mistakes will happen when you manage a lot of items and addons.

I realize some unfortunate phrasing happened here, but not need to jump on it and create an argument. Let's let it drop ok? It is NOT constructive.

I sincerely hope that cooler heads can prevail. I have on occassion noticed that products promoted by PC club contain references needed to work from old productas that are no longer available, or in some cases they simply do not work at all. You know, opening a ticket is a bit of a time requirement so it all comes down to how much I spent and whether that's worth a refund. I've ran into the same thing here for that matter. Really, products that will no longer work with urrent figures/software should be purged, but there is a metric ton of old content, out there so I tend to not be so upset by it since the common senario, at least for me would involve freebies.

Some things get past us. I mean we do have a large inventory. Best to contact the store when these incidents happen. We will gladly look into situations such as this.

Or bring it up in the Marketplace Customer Support forum

Boni posted at 3:24PM Thu, 24 January 2019 - #4343392

I realize some unfortunate phrasing happened here, but not need to jump on it and create an argument. Let's let it drop ok? It is NOT constructive.

it's Todd. you know he can't be civil to save his life...

Khai-J-Bach posted at 4:01PM Thu, 07 February 2019 - #4344196

Boni posted at 3:24PM Thu, 24 January 2019 - #4343392

I realize some unfortunate phrasing happened here, but not need to jump on it and create an argument. Let's let it drop ok? It is NOT constructive.

it's Todd. you know he can't be civil to save his life...

What?

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/wiki/?policies&terms

Members/Users will not use this community for: Personal attacks.

if thats a personal attack, how do you leave the house?

I hear worse every day at work, at the store, on the street... it's called "life"

don't worry I reported myself for you, so no need to worry.

"personal-attack. Noun. (plural personal attacks) Making of an abusive remark on or relating to one's person instead of providing evidence when examining another person's claims or comments."

Looks at original comment ---> ** "it's Todd. you know he can't be civil to save his life..."**

Just because you have heard worse, when you're out and about, doesn't change the fact that it's quite obviously a personal attack. Even small personal attacks have a habit of escalating in these forums, maybe you have noticed? Just makes me wonder why you think it should be acceptable behaviour here in the forums to just jump into threads and deliberately target someone? I mean is that allowed now?

Or are you suggesting your comment was on topic and just some constructive criticism based on MM statements above? It also seems strange that you're targeting MM when really the only issue that I can see in the thread seems to be the slightly trollish comment of "That's DAZ for you."?

Razor42 posted at 5:45AM Sun, 10 February 2019 - #4345653

Or are you suggesting your comment was on topic and just some constructive criticism based on MM statements above? It also seems strange that you're targeting MM when really the only issue that I can see in the thread seems to be the slightly trollish comment of "That's DAZ for you."?

But who is todd? Besides, I've had the ignore button active for some time now so people are violating the TOS without me noticing ?