Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: Poser Has a New Base Figure!!

stallion opened this issue on Jan 29, 2019 ยท 1258 posts


Blackhearted posted Mon, 04 February 2019 at 6:30 AM

DalekSupreme posted at 4:37AM Mon, 04 February 2019 - #4345205

Blackhearted posted at 9:18PM Mon, 04 February 2019 - #4345170

"For someone who 'wishes her well' you're going far out of your way to systematically bash her in at least two forums now. Virtually your entire post history consists of bashing new figures and extolling the virtues of V4. We get it, you like V4 and think that it's the pinnacle of Poser figure development: feel free to use her forever. Fortunately not everyone agrees."

Actually as someone who has not posted for over 4 years due to the constant trolling and negative feedback when someone states an opinion on this site your comment about my "entire post history" is both uninformed rubbish and rude.

Yes I find her both ugly about the legs and hard work to use, and yet I hoped she would be successful. I hoped to be wrong and I did wish her well.

What I was referring to about V4 was her ease of use and commerciality. No she is not perfect. Otherwise we would not be desperately looking to replace her. If you can't take feedback about how what made V4 a success and apply it to your own creation well good luck to you.

Now I hope you enjoy spending the money I have pumped into her accessories and your products, and when you get feedback I hope you have the ability to take it on board without being rude. In the mean time good luck with your figure.

Please don't worry... I won't be buying any more of your products and I will now delete La Femme from my runtime so you wont have any more issues with me commenting in future.

My products may be for sale but I am not. I'm not going to sit here quietly while you bash them with unfounded criticism thinly veiled behind 'I wish it well'. A question posted across forums is someone looking for an answer: a complaint reposted simultaneously in several forums is someone trying to stir the pot. You have around 50 posts bashing Victoria 7 in the exact same way -- I don't use DS or Genesis much, but saying that Victoria 7 brings nothing to the table over Victoria 4 is totally absurd.

I'm here to help and have already done my best to fix some features that people requested. You're literally complaining that there are 'too many features' and thus it's 'too complicated', yet there is nothing forcing anyone to use those features. You don't need to pose her toes or extra bones or touch her body handles if you don't want to, but they're there if those who spend more than '10 seconds' on their art want that option. Some people complain about the stagnation in Poser and that they want something better than V4 but when anything comes along they complain that 'it's different than V4' and 'it doesn't automatically use my existing hoard of V4 content'.

Hey, I love V4 and I did my best to squeeze what I could out of her. But for the last decade I've been fighting with crippling V4 joint issues that all the 3rd party 'joint fix' add-ons in the world don't come close to fixing.

My typical V4 workflow is something like:

-load V4
-load 3rd party textures/shaders
-load 3rd party morphs
-pose figure trying my best to avoid any arms up or thighside poses
-Figure - Skinning Method - Unimesh, set subdivision to 1
-GoZ and start fixing joints in Zbrush, trying to avoid all the poles in her mesh

She's virtually unusable in her default state and has had over a decade of third-party support (myself included) to build her up to what she is today. But aside from a small handful of vendors people are abandoning V4 and - as a result - Poser in droves because there's only so much you can do with a 10 year old figure.

Certain people are looking at V4 with some seriously rose-colored glasses. Here is a simple workspace capture of what they look like without any 3rd party content. And I'm being nice: V4 by default loads looking like a sexless cabbage in a pixellated purple painted-on bikini. I had to go through about 20 material zones to change the teal default color that Daz loads to adjust her texture's color saturation.

cabbage.jpg LF_V4_comparison.jpg

^that's with simply moving her arms and legs down and 'nipples' and 'thighsthicken' on (AFAIK V4 doesn't even come with nipples for $30, you have to buy them separately). I wanted that as the default but for technical reasons it was decided that a zeroed t-pose was better (I'll zip it up and put it in my filelocker for anyone that wants a modified base pose).

There's no reason to abandon V4, but if the Poser community doesn't start being more open-minded towards change and new features it's pretty much doomed.