JohnDoe641 posted at 7:08AM Mon, 22 July 2019 - #4357693

Glitterati3D posted at 4:57AM Mon, 22 July 2019 - #4357691

Biscuits posted at 4:48AM Mon, 22 July 2019 - #4357454

Virtual World Dynamics Cloth and Hair is an extremely good Cloth (and hair) simulator.

If that was integrated in Poser by default that would be absolutely perfect!

The problem with this idea is that the "typical" end user, i.e., Poser's user base, considers this too complicated to use.

They don't use the current cloth room for the same reason.

Replacing what they don't use now, with an even more complicated version, serves no real purpose.

I consider myself a typical Poser user. I still don't understand a thing about the material room, the fitting room is too complicated for me, I can't and don't model anything on my own, and besides the posing of figures/lights/props I'd like to have things as simple and as close to "click this for the result" as possible. My only saving grace is probably my art/photography/martial arts backgrounds that prevent my renders from looking like a third graders macaroni project that got run over by a bus. Having said that, I managed to learn the cloth room ages ago and every figure in every render I've done since P8 has probably all been clothed by dynamics. I'm a pure visual artist, not a technical one but if someone like me can learn the cloth room, anyone can. There just needs to be open and easily accessible tutorials that aren't buried 50 pages into a thread or hidden in layers of search results.

I've watched videos on that VWD and it does look complicated, but the results look awesome and worth the ROI. If it wasn't so expensive I would definitely have it by now. Plus, being able to rotate the sim while it's going is something that Poser lacks that would be sooooooooooo nice to have. Maybe if it were incorporated into Poser, they could streamline it and make it simple enough that people like me can figure it out.

Well, I didn't say either system was too complicated - just that the end users consider it so, a a majority.

I've encountered many, too many, users who have never even tried the cloth room because it was "too hard" to use.

Sadly, it doesn't take first hand knowledge for many users to come to a conclusion - just some forum posts that say it is so.