Spelling never counts in my book. As long as we get the message. Thanks anyway Dann-O, but I know about those things. I need to get the soft shadows to work as AgentSmith and I have talked about. And I need to get the NEW Tree creator to do what it says it will. Just telling it to be a conifer and changing it's leaves to a conifer should change it dramatically, but it doesn't. Maybe yet another bug, maybe B5 was released a bit premature? And Thanks Agent, I have tried exactly what you did. I really wish someone replies with a soon to be fix for this really big bug in my opinion. James