Redphantom, Thanks for chiming in, but unfortunately you're not correct. The first group I contacted was in fact, Smith Micro. When Bondware purchased Poser from them part of the transfer arrangement required them to accept continued licensing of existing Poser software. If that were not a fact, Smith would be having to continue handling access and Bondware could not be doing anything. The sale/transfer includes responsibility for the EULA management. This was why Smith sold the software rather than simply abandon it. They can't legally abandon it because of the existing EULA's and requirements to do 60 day re-activation. They'd get the pants sued off of them. So they sold it cheap to Bondware. But now it's Bondware's baby 101%. Email Smith if you doubt me on that. Ask them. I did. I just reiterated what they told me. So unfortunately you don't know what you're talking about I'm afraid.

I don't want $99 worth of anything. I just want to keep what is mine - what I already paid for. Let me put this in the form of an analogy for you; You have a Ford truck you just bought. You love it. It's exactly what you want. The dealer shows up at your house and takes your Ford truck and leaves you a Ferrari sports car. Sure it's an expensive and cool car, but it's not your truck that you bought, that you love, and that you wanted. Now what do you haul your junk around in? Do you see the point here. No matter what they "give" you it's not what you already have and what you want nor what you paid for. They have no right to do that. Not legally or otherwise.

The argument here isn't the good or bad with the version 11. The point here is that owners of Game Dev 2014 have an existing EULA that states in the opening section that software and one license will be provided. By refusing to renew that license, Bondware is violating the EULA agreement. That will hold up in court. They cannot bait and switch the software. I've already spoken to more than one digital rights lawyer this past week regarding this area. So I'm not mouthing off my friend. They're not legally allowed to force an upgrade by cancelling validation of an existing license. Adobe tried this years ago and got a nasty class action filed against them for it. To date, any version of Photoshop you own will work. They tried to kill all of the "outdated" licenses in order to make everyone switch to using their monthly cloud service. But many people (myself included) had mortgaged their souls to buy Adobe suites. Mine was nearly $2K at the time. I wasn't giving that up and neither did a bunch of other angry users. They eventually settled out of court and left our licenses alone for the time being. So if you think companies won't do this sort of thing, you are dead wrong. When Bondware does this, Game Dev version will cease to function - period. And the new 11.2 versions use the word "lease" in their EULA for a reason folks. Companies don't buy software as a philanthropist move. Bondware bought Poser because they have big plans for it and that = $$$$$. How do you sell a program no one was buying? Make them. It's really that simple. That's why they are forcing anyone with an controlled license (one that has to renew) to switch to 11.2 with the new lease EULA. See right now we all own our software. They can't turn off older pre-10 versions, but they can turn off Game Dev and 11.0-11.1. See 11 didn't really do anything new compared to Game Dev. Sure it had Superfly but it really kind of sucks and even Charles Taylor admitted that it had bugs and issues. That's why 11 didn't move and Smith dropped it. I know. I was a member of the Beta team at one point and quit because no one at Smith was listening to our input on things - primarily the horrible new characters that were put out.

I don't know what you're talking about "reverting software." Poser Game Dev = Poser 10 (+). If you don't have Dev, stop talking or typing. Your whole argument being waged here makes no sense and has no bearing on matters. When Game Dev was released is moot. It is classified (I'm looking at my screen right now) as Poser 10 (+). No it's not basic Poser 10, nor Poser Pro 10, nor is it Poser Pro 2014. It is it's own version with it's own features...which is why I like it and want to keep it.

As for flash, it won't cease to exist, moron. Adobe is just not making any more updates or servicing it any more. It was freeware anyway. But if you have a program that uses Flash, and you have it installed it won't magically disappear in 2020. And for what it's worth the Air-programming was one of the things I hated. I worked with Smith to get the first Air update problem solved after it screwed up once. Adobe made changes and the update turned all of Poser's runtime titles sideways (like vertical). It was annoyingly hilarious. So I have the private email of the kind fellow who wrote the Runtime with Air and you all know him from the forums, so I won't drag him further into this. He didn't want to use Air at the time but Smith insisted because of time and budget. So sure, it's bad but it's not what's in question here.

You can argue about the great new things and terrible old things all day long and pat me on the back and tell me I'm getting $99 for free all you want. You can even be a malignant parent who uses their child's supposed disability to win debates - but in the end, it really just comes down to the fact that I bought software. I have a license to use it indefinitely. That program and license was upheld by Smith and sold to Bondware and now Bondware is not honoring it. Violation of EULA. Plain and simple. You can dance around and sugarcoat this till the cows come home but I still win because I'm right...and I'm the guy who has already talked with lawyers. If enough Game Dev owners stand up, Bondware will eventually have a problem on their hands.

Ask yourself this one question folks; If Bondware can change the call-out URL in 11.2 with no problem, why couldn't they just issue an updater for Game Dev that changes the URL and leave it alone? Hmm? Anybody got an answer? Why give me a $99 upgrade when you could just fix an URL?

The answer is they don't want me to have an owned copy. They want me to upgrade so I'm bound by the new lease EULA. Here's a free upgrade - ain't we so nice? And a year from now they switch to cloud service and discontinue your "lease." And suddenly you're renting monthly from them to use the software. Don't think they'll do it. Go look at Adobe. Read your Poser 11.2 EULA closely.

Bondware is not your friend. Bondware is a company with a bottom line - to make money. They don't care about you or what you like or don't like, so long as they're getting paid. Stop fooling yourselves into believing anyone in corporate world has your best interests at heart. They do not. None of them do. They smile and have trolls come on the forums and taunt you and hassle you and tell you how great the company is and how terrible you are for hating on them. Think about it. Think about it for a long while and you'll start to see the real trolls and corporate lackeys wearing civilian clothes. If you think I'm warped, that's fine. But I'm still right. And when they remove or lock this post as they did my previous - you'll know I'm right. They won't tolerate anyone who openly questions their motives or risks alienating their customers with the truth about their intentions and tactics. We're talking millions of dollars in potential development down the road people. Not just $99.

I'm tired typing. Nobody is probably listening anyway and most of you will just toss out the $99 or get your free upgrade and skip stupidly into oblivion. Years from now when you're having your licenses yanked and are forced to pay monthly - try and remember me and what I said.