Posers user base needs to be expanded. Nothing being argued about on these forums will do that. If I were Bondware, I'd release say, Poser 2012 limited in that it would NOT accept any updates, in the warez groups (along with a "read me" delineating the major advances in later versions.). Yup, that's what I'd do. Some certain percentage of those downloaders will ultimately buy it, it'd be free for Bondware. Call it community outreach. That Poser 2012 isn't going to be bought by anyone today anyway.