It's a vicious circle, Clarkie. Animators just don't animate in Poser these days, because the animation side of things has fallen too far behind, and the competition out there giving them what they want. Pretty much every animator that Poser ever had, have long since migrated to iClone, DAZ Studio, or Blender. Their choice of migration being dictated by the tools on offer in those packages, and the level of power the user seeks.

So we have a situation where those who love Poser and want to animate, are thin on the ground on a forum such as this. So things such as animation don't get people rallying behind it, because the very users who would do that, have long since given Poser the big finger as an "animation" tool. This in turn can leave the developer thinking that fixing the animation situation is not necessary. This is a vicious circle, cause until the developer of Poser realises that sometimes you have to put the future of the software before the shiny bells and whistles, the situation will never get fixed, and you'll never see those users again, nor will you see the budding animators new to the scene, choosing Poser as their 3D animation tool.

What I find most frustrating about it is that actually, the animation technology Poser has under the hood, is already very powerful, it is already more than adequate. The problem is the way that technology is presented, it is absolutely sadistic compared to modern implementations.

Regards EEVEE, here's why it's important:

• Encourages PBR materials.
• Renders stills and animation in realtime.
• Goes hand in hand with Cycles (Super-Fly) just as it does in Blender.

I do agree that there is a lot of work to be done, but at least Bondware are completely in control of that situation now, and there are no rules that dictate when Poser12 should arrive. So far, I'd say they're going the right way about it, working on bug-fixes and rebranding. I just hope that in the meantime, they accept the cold hard facts regards the animation situation in Poser, and make Poser12 the milestone release it should be, meaning something that tells the CG industry that when Bondware acquires a 3D product, they mean business! It would be fantastic to see a vibe across the industry, magazine reviews etc, that Bondware have taken Poser and given it the kiss of life is desperately needed.

Personally, other than being in the company of the likes of Wolf and perhaps a few others, I think I'm completely wasting my time banging-on about this stuff here. But it is in Bondware's best interest to play the wise-guy where Poser is concerned, and to be fair I have no reason to doubt them unless they fail to deliver something forward-thinking.

So the way I see it is let them know my concerns, let them know what I want, and at least give them a chance to research for themselves why these things are seriously relevant. If they mess-up, I can already do everything I want in Blender anyway. It takes more time to set up, but at least it can be done, so really my requests are for the benefit of Poser more than myself.

Another important thing to remember is that the system I requested will attract many to Poser just to be able to get their hands on the motion generation tech, for much the same reason that Wolf and many others are attracted to iClone for it.