Thanks for the reply, I am having more problems with gen 2 characters than I do with V4 with which I have been using Snarly's EZskins3 program since it came out. I do really like its performance. it does not however support the Gen 2 Characters, but the clue you gave about checking nodes will be investigated and I m sure I will find a work around! Thanks again Hornet, you input is invaluable to me... hope I can return the favor one day!