Okay. Could somebody please explain why you say simple shapes 'don't have enough points to deform'. I take it that 'points' are something to do with the geometry. I tried to deform a simple flat square from the props library and it deformed into a bit of a wavey form, but the edges deformed at right angles at the same time, i.e. in a different direction. Result chaos. It seems to me that the dial settings should be kept very low. Surely the flag shown above is made from one simple flat prop. Isn't it? I can understand a seascape being made of tiled waves, but not a flag. I've downloaded the wave sample that jamball suggested, but haven't got around to trying anything since yesterday. I'll have to try tomorrow. I honestly don't mean to be rude to you good people, but let's face it, Poser is badly in need of a good tutorial on wave deformers, with examples and sample dial settings. If I ever get the hang of this I'll do one. I refuse to be beaten by a stupid dumb machine!!