hey jeff, thanks for the reply. How well will it work with poser 3 and bryce 3? Even though i may decide to upgrade, i would like to know how well carrara will work with the other products metacreations puts out. Oh, and sorry for the misspell, hehe, it is always too late at night for me to attempt spelling correctly. I am not that good in the day, so i am that much worse at night when im tired. I also do not own Raydream, so i dont know that much about it either. Any pertinant info on that product? one other thing, is there any way to get a bryce 3 scene to import into poser 3? I have tried and i am not sure about that. I am too new at this stuff, hehe. I am also to lazy to read the book. oh well. thanks to you jeff and to any others who reply.