Picnic.....avoid HP like the plague I had 3 each lasted one month each I got suspicious when PC world kept stock under the counter and handed a new one without question.....I have a mitsumi just the cheapy ide 4 times burn 8 read and no rewriting and its nearly a year old and works great ......Steve PS a review I wrote is here and some other cd ones too i think http://the-internet-eye.com