I do apologize. This conversation has a tendency of going away from the original inspiration which is a first-class sled and saucer. My mind is full of sometimes useless bits of trivia, and I just couldn't help thinking the word rosebud! Now again, I want to thank Sams3D for the wonderful sled and saucer. It almost makes me wish for winter again. But then I'm still trying to renconcile myself to being bsck "in the Frozen north," after I had made my escape to Florida for a few years. Oh well, that is what love, and reunions do to you.... Would I exchange my two years of married life for the carefree bachelor days in the Sunshine state? No.