Hi, Well, I'm of the opinion, mailed to CL no less :) That if they simply fixed all the bugs in P4 it'd be worth the cash :) But I doubt that they'll add the SDK, that after all is what the Pro Pack gives you, and they're not going to short change the people who bought that by providing something better to those who buy 5.0 I think that CL are wise to the fact that Poser is largely a hobbyists market, hence the Pro Pack in the first place, they give the "commercial" stuff to those who want it, the rest if us just get to play with dolls :) One of the things I wouldn't want them to change, is the renderer, (well, not that much anyway :) Since I happen to like the fact that I get my results in a timely manner. I think the longest I've ever had to wait for a render is 15 minutes, which is fine by me... I'd like them to improve IK a bit I think, and an "undo" feature would be great, especially if it meant that the "bug" that causes it to delete the active object if you try to load one with a corrupted RSR was now correctable, but other than that, I can wait :) later jb