I understand and know, that there is a ton of options and programs to work with and extend the Poser program. But I read the initial question as specifically related to the standalone program Poser, in this case version 12. The question was what additional benefits comes out of this new version if the new render engine is blanked out of the picture. And the answer for me is, that the new version with the better render engine closes the gap you have to put secondary software in to do a job, Poser is supposed to do on its own. The reason why we need plugins like poserfusion and blenderbrigde is that Poser and DS are limited in there capabilities and other programs offered the better, faster or cleaner way to get it done. Now, if the new render engine and the changes in the material room are as effective as it seems, why would you spend money and time to convert and ex-and import Poser files across different programs? I did this with C4D and the program was 3500 Euro and another 700 Euro for Vray for C4D, back in 2010. That's a whole lot of money, but back in these days Poser was not able to do what i wanted to do what it, so i searched for the better solution. The way i have understood the question is, if there is an additional benefit to the new version of Poser except for the update cycles render and my answer was no. I hope that clarifies my opinion on this issue. Sometimes i have difficultys to get a point across because english is not my first language. That's not meant for an excuse, i know that many of you folks are not native English speakers, so the changes are very good to get misunderstood.