Yes, after a nice while of using V2, going to Mike or V1 feels like a huge step backward. i wouldn't say Mike is useless, exactly, just a lot of work to get to look non-Mike-like, as was Vicki 1, as are all the regular P4 people. i suspect DAZ is taking their time getting M2 out the door because they know they raised their own bar with V2! By the bye, why would one want to move his (or anyone's) eyes with magnets? i think i'm missing something there. While i have respect for DSI and the amount of effort involved, given that the bar has been raised with V2, Dina just doesn't seem to go far enough, and is another doll-like character rather than a morphable digital human; i find her proportions...er, not to my taste, and a bit jarring to the eye. But this isn't a Dina thread. :^) Other thoughts?