wolf359 posted at 8:00PM Wed, 18 November 2020 - #4404991

DAZ is the only one who can fix this, and they're clearly >not >interested. They haven't >updated DSON in ten years.

There is no reason for Daz to update something that ,for the last decade, has been an unmitigated,embarrasing FAILURE?

According to thier own Bluster,put forth when the original Gensis was introduced ,DSON was intended to be a universal spec that would enable the CG professionals in the Autodesk,Maxon, MODO etc communities to implement the genesis figure in their eco systems.

The Reality is that None of the CG pros actually cared about genesis and chose the stay with figure rigs already purpose built for their Character eco systems.?

Even Reallusion Chose FBX over "DSON" for their import/conversion of Daz genesis figures back in the Iclone 5.5-6.5 era

Even today, with Iclone 7x and CC3 ,we only use FBX to import and shape project any Mill4 - G8 figure/character onto an Iclone native base Avatar for full compabilty with our SUPERIOR Character animation system as well as our universal cloth rigging and Game asset export tools.

Daz's recently released Genesis export plugins to the major 3DCC apps & game engines that were either bought/co-opted from third parties and re-branded.

or cobbled by Daz's internal dev team, all without any dependency on thier failed "DSON" Spec by the target applications.

"DSON" has not been killed as it was already dead.?

Bondware is trying to move poser forward, and in so doing, has decided to leave old, dead,failed features( Face room ,walk designer etc) in the crumbling caves of the past to prevent poser itself from suffering a similar fate.?

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were Mr. DAZ. While I've got you - thanks for building the best figures and props for Poser over the last two decades. I know you guys started out just making content for Poser and I realize your own freeware is...well...free for a reason (nobody would pay for it) and I know it's a business gimmick to get people to buy overpriced content - but I also know that myself and many others worldwide still utilize your stuff in Poser and have for twenty years now. So thank you for making a plugin just for us in order to not lose us as valued customers. The fact that you made DSON to start with proves you know how many customers you have using Poser still.I would implore you to make a Python 3.0 version just to spite Bondware perhaps.

Oh wait...you're not Mr. DAZ? Dang, the way you were talking about knowing all their corporate in's and out's I had just assumed. My bad. If you're an Iclone user then clearly you are aware that the company went out of their way and produced special plugins that allow for the incorporation of Genesis 8 figures and clothing into the program, right? So your claim about Genesis being ignored is just wrong. Go to the Iclone website and read. I have some of their software on my own workstation. I was not impressed with it. Comes off as a game-oriented version of DAZ studio which I despise. Also it's overpriced as all heck. But again, my point is Genesis. If Iclone's users weren't devoutly using DAZ material then why the big rollout to provide compatibility and import? Hmm? Crickets chirping. Yep. Read up before talking:iclone & DAZ

So plugins can be built and pipelines designed. But Bondware wants you to buy here rather than DAZ. The reason DAZ has succeeded as much as they have is because they do not alienate but instead, try to integrate with every piece of software including Poser. They don't alienate any customer with a dollar. They are greedy and smarmy and generally disliked, but begrudgingly I admit they are not failing as a business model. Poser is cutting off the very people that have fed them over the years. If iclone can build themselves an importer, so can Bondware. Isolation is how software dies these days. Be part of the pipeline or fail. It's that simple. Poser content is not good. Admit that and accept that you need outside content. The program is solid and beautiful...but it needs improvements and it needs advancements - not constant adding of the shiniest new thing or tiny addendum to fix broken things while major bugs go untouched.

My points all remain. Challengers may take a number and wait their turn. Next?