Deecey posted at 4:54AM Sun, 22 November 2020 - #4405316

I'm sorry ... but you are misinformed in many of your claims.

The one plugin, GoZ, has had a glitch for over two years that they claim they can't fix that renders the use of the SubD export feature absolutely useless

The issue isn't with GoZ. The issue is the very core of how Poser works. This has been explained to you several times. Poser was built on technology that split the mesh into individual groups once it was turned into a figure. They are now moving toward a TRUE unimesh. No more body part groups to deal with. A full mesh and a skeleton. This will not be a trivial change as it will touch every aspect of Poser. Several have already tried to explain this to you. You are the one who isn't listening. I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS WITH GOZ - I SAID IT WAS WITH POSER AND I HAVE AN EMAIL FROM PIXOLOGIC TO BACK THAT STATEMENT UP. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WENT WRONG BECAUSE CHARLES EXPLAINED IT TO ME WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT IN DEPTH A YEAR OR SO BACK. POSER ISN'T READING THE DATA COMING BACK FROM Z CORRECTLY AND THUS CANNOT ACCURATELY REALIGN THE SUBDIVIDED SHAPE. I ALSO HAVE EMAILS FROM CHARLES TO BACK THAT UP.

and now they're cutting off their only other real importer (DSON) as well as shutting down every existing Python 2.0 based plugin.

Python 2 has reached END OF LIFE. No more support. What else are they supposed to do? Again, you aren't listening. OH I'M LISTENING. I JUST SAID IF PYTHON 2 CAN'T BE KEPT FUNCTIONAL ALONG WITH THE 3 UPDATE (AND BEFORE YOU ARGUE ON THE BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY ISSUE YOU MIGHT WANT TO GOOGLE IT...THEY'RE WORKING ON MAKING BOTH WORK ON SAME MACHINE) --- THEN I SUGGESTED CREATING A DSON-LIKE (AS IN MADE AND CONTROLLED BY BONDWARE) TO IMPORT DAZ CONTENT. DON'T TELL ME IT CAN'T BE DONE. DAZ WROTE DSON TO IMPORT CONTENT INTO POSER. POSER CAN RUN THAT RIGHT BACKWARDS WITHOUT THE SLIGHTEST LEGAL ISSUE. AS LONG AS THEY DON'T TAMPER WITH DAZ CODE OR DUPLICATE DAZ CODE IT IS LEGAL. OTHERWISE SMITH WOULD HAVE SUED DAZ OVER DSON.

Smith dumping the program should be enough to tell you 11 didn't sell very well.

Sorry. Misinformed. Graphics division was doing just fine. REALLY? 'CAUSE CORPORATIONS OFTEN SHUT DOWN SOFTWARE PROGRAMS THAT ARE MAKING THEM A LOT OF MONEY. THAT'S JUST COMMON PRACTICE I'D SAY - RIGHT? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SPOUTING. UTTER BS! I WILL CALL IT WHAT IT IS. GRAPHICS DIVISION WAS DOING WELL BUT POSER WASN'T AND IT WAS COSTING TOO MUCH TO CONTINUE DEVELOPMENT. I HAVE AN EMAIL FROM SMITH MICRO BACKING THAT ONE UP. GO AHEAD AND SAY IT AGAIN BUT DON'T CRY WHEN YOUR PANTS CATCH FLAME.

Remember how cool it was when Smith introduced cloth simulation? Where are the innovations?

Smith didn't add the cloth sim. Curious Labs did 5 years before SM was in the picture. That's right. The original Poser team, some of who are now working with Bondware. MY SINCERE APOLOGIES. I DIDN'T REALIZE I WAS TALKING TO AN IDIOT. CLOTHING SIMULATION - NOT CLOTHING. CLOTHING AS IN CONFORMING WAS ADDED BY CURIOUS LABS BUT CLOTH SIMULATION WAS NOT ADDED UNTIL SMITH TOOK OVER AND IT DEBUTED WITH POSER PRO 2010 GO SEE HERE UNINFORMED PERSON: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poser BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. READ AND WEEP OVER YOUR IGNORANCE.

You cannot tell me with a straight face that Bondware is moving Poser forward and advancing it.

They are, but with a much smaller team than SM had when all of those innovations were added. Going with unimesh is moving foward. Going to Python 3 is moving forward. Going with a raytrace rendering engine with PBR capability is moving forward. Improving rigging and content creation tools is moving forward. I'M NOT SAYING WHAT THEY'RE DOING ISN'T AN IMPROVMENT BUT IT'S NOT INNOVATING. WE NEED NEW FEATURES NOT FIXES FOR OLD ONES. WHILE THIS SMALLER TEAM PIECES TOGETHER FIXES AND BUG-KILLS, THE OTHER COMPETITION COMPANIES ARE BLOWING PAST THEM AND LEAVING POSER BEHIND. YOU CANNOT ARGUE THAT. IT'S UTTER FACTS. COMPARE DAZ FEATURES TO POSER CURRENTLY! DAZ IS FREE! IF YOU CAN'T HOLD OUT MORE FEATURES THAN A FREEWARE THEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA SELL PAY-SOFTWARE. YOU MUST INNOVATE. IF THE CURRENT TEAM CAN'T MANAGE THAT THEN POSER WILL DIE. ARGUE THAT PLEASE.

They have not released one single new feature that is of any consequence since acquiring the program.

Care to share which new features of any consequence Smith Micro added after they let the original team go in 2016? I'm waiting. 8-) I'M NOT. WHY YOU THINK I'M STILL WORKING ON P10 MAN?! THEY MESSED UP LETTING THAT ORIGINAL TEAM GO. I'M NOT DEFENDING SMITH MICRO. WHERE THE HECK DID YOU GET THAT? I BASHED P11 AND I QUIT THEIR BETA TEAM. DID YOU MIX ME UP WITH SOMEBODY ELSE?

What's the problem with negativity? That's the problem with the younger generations - you all live in this fantasy world where everything has to be unicorns and rainbows or it's too terrible to handle.

Doesn't apply to this chick. I'm old enough to be your mother. WELL GRANDMA --- AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M A GRANDPA AND IF YOU'RE OLDER THAN ME WELL IT SHOULDN'T BE AN INSULT - CLEARLY THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU DON'T COMPREHEND THE USEFULNESS OF POINTING OUT THINGS THAT AREN'T RIGHT OR THAT HAVE FAILED. SO WHEN YOU GET A MINUTE, GO BACK AND SEE IF YOU CAN SWAT DOWN MY COUNTER-POINTS. THIS SHOULD BE AMUSING AND BY AMUSING I MEAN MAKING ME LAUGH AS YOU FLOUNDER TO CONTRADICT FACTS.