DustRider posted at 9:19PM Sun, 22 November 2020 - #4405519

Deecey posted at 4:54AM Sun, 22 November 2020 - #4405316

Smith didn't add the cloth sim. Curious Labs did 5 years before SM was in the picture. That's right. The original Poser team, some of who are now working with Bondware.

JAG posted at 1:20PM Sun, 22 November 2020 - #4405465

MY SINCERE APOLOGIES. I DIDN'T REALIZE I WAS TALKING TO AN IDIOT. CLOTHING SIMULATION - NOT CLOTHING. CLOTHING AS IN CONFORMING WAS ADDED BY CURIOUS LABS BUT CLOTH SIMULATION WAS NOT ADDED UNTIL SMITH TOOK OVER AND IT DEBUTED WITH POSER PRO 2010 GO SEE HERE UNINFORMED PERSON: BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. READ AND WEEP OVER YOUR IGNORANCE.

Uummm .... if you re-read the page you linked to, you will see that Curious Labs introduced dynamic hair and cloth (cloth simulation) with Poser 5 in 2003. It was a huge step forward at the time!

I too might be more interested in getting Poser 12 if there was an easy way to import and use Genesis figures/content even though there are no serious new features or innovation in Poser 12. The lack of inspiring promo images for Poser 12 (except for one very nice image) made it clear to me that I am not a part of the target demographic that the new owners and developers are targeting, and that Poser isn't moving in the same direction I want to go. The lack of being able to easily use the Genesis content I have in Poser, it's clear that I'm not who they want as a customer. Yes, I have quite a bit of V3/V4/G4 and some A3 content which I could use. But to be perfectly honest, these old figures are simply a huge pain in the rear to use compared to Genesis (I recently did a quick G4 render, and wow, I had forgotten all the hoop jumping you have to do to use the older figures).

So in general I agree with your assertions that Poser development has grown a bit stagnant, with very little innovation. However, I will continue to watch with great interest to see if the development plan is to eventually redo a bunch of the underlying code to support modern/standard things like a single uni-mesh figure. However, without significant improvements or innovation, I really can't justify purchasing Poser 12 right now.

ssgbryan posted at 1:27PM Sun, 22 November 2020 - #4405418

For a person that doesn't use Poser, you certainly spend a lot of time in the Poser forums.

Neither you nor I care what DS users do.

The OP is whining about using DS content in Poser. I suggested that the OP move to DS, and get ready to spend for scripts to replicate the features that they appear to be used to. Unlike you, I have already been down that rabbit hole, the cost is $750. I already provided you a list of the scripts, the cost, and the Poser feature they duplicate.

And your only retort was that you didn't need those features - which wasn't the issue.

Once again, I feel compelled to dispute your assertions that it costs $750 to make DS do what poser can do. If you have truly spent thousands of dollars at DAZ, then you know that only someone with more money than good sense ever pays full list price for anything at DAZ. We did go over this once before, you provided a list of needed items, I went through it item by item, provided what the items actually cost me, and which items were not really needed because the functionality exists within DS (where the add-ons just provide simple one click solutions, but the functionality is provided within the DS UI), and I think you also included FaceShop?? to give the same functionality as the Face Room in Poser (something I don't need, don't use in either application). IIRC my bottom line total for DS was less than Poser, and IIRC the discussion was before DAZ bought KeyMate and GraphMate, which are now included in DS for free. When you make these claims, you really should inform people that you are using the full list price (not the price that most DS users would pay), that some of the products aren't really needed but make life easier, and some of the items people might not ever use in either application.

Thank you for the support on that but I was right about the Poser development. That connotation on "dynamic" is inaccurate. Poser 5 presented "conforming clothing and hair." Somebody as Wikipedia got that wrong. I physically have 5's box sitting on my shelf. Yes I'm weird and I keep software boxes dating all the way back to 3. I also have my old Photoshop boxes from the 90's. Sort of a retro tech fixation I guess. That and I hate tossing out a perfectly good box. So again, wiki-error, not mine.

Thanks some more for the backup on my points!