Thanks Jenn ..I seem to be lucky my only real problem was the gallery counter follower. views likes ..think i only had log in /out issue once or twice prehaps the blessing of still working with a 15-16 y/o PC and old OS (fingers crossed ) I would like thank you all the admins, staff etc for all your hard sincere efforts I can not imagine this has been pleasant for you all as well....Hope everyone has a safe and happy holiday