@ contedesfees It would not of made a big difference buying Poser 11.3 first just to get a save on 12, rather then paying the full price now ! and why buy a Program that is announced to be taken down a week after purchase that has a call home system integrated ? It would be like gifting your money to Renderosity ! Best would be right now to wait up until the early release gets final and then decide weather to buy Poser 12, and hope that it goes faster then the updates they made on SM Poser as they were not finished after a Year. so with a little luck you get a working Poser 12 before they launch poser 13 in a year or more :)