Oh no Mike, no one's been bothering me. What DID make me create this comparrison was something that LarryF said in another thread. It wasn't derrogatory at all, but more of an apology...something about his postwork stemming from a lack of confidence :). I don't think postwork is a lack of confidence, but is more a further exploration :). Just wanted to illustrate that. Bop, I know I could come close, but I could never get in Vue what I got in the above pic with postwork. Especially since I'm only using Vue 3.1 and not 4 :). The contrast just is not there. Less contrast means less depth, at least to my eye :). Laurie