Wow, thank you all very much for all your kind words... Yeah, the grasshopper was really a comedy thing I added as an afterthought in the sense that you really can't see it right away cause everything else is so blatant... :) Anyway, this was rendered in final, 1600X1200, then shrunk down twice in Photoshop, then on a second layer copy of the image, apply sharpen and bring it in little by little with the opacity slider till I could see more definition... You can't do too much, otherwise it looks bad... I'm still not thrilled with the definition on the flowers, I wish I could render it in Vue d'Esprit so that the outline of the flower petals is really defined... Can this be done in Vue?? What's been happening is, that even in Ultra, the anti_alias just makes the edges of everything blurry.. I'd like to render so that you can see the pollen in the lilies and definition in the peony petals... If anybody knows, don't be afraid to tell me... :) Also, if you think I'm out of my mind in trying to do this in Vue, don't be afraid to tell me either... :) Or if you just think i'm out of my mind in general... :)