I was suggesting a free version of Poser to get people in the door to 3d rendering, not necessarily to become a content provider, just people want to just "make art" because they can't draw by hand worth a crap, which is the reason I got poser in the first place. Money saved on having a free version would be money to spend on content, thus helping those who are vendors already to a fresh field of customers. I think this could help Poser vendors with some sales. I know DS has it's good points and Poser as well, the point of the thread was not to compare the two products, or any products for that matter, just focus on Poser. I know some people who have picked up DS and found it to be rather confusing with it's interface, millions of features that nobody understands or will probably never use. Poser is a little more straight forward and not so hard on the PC as Iray seems to be, (but that could just my opinion because I've used it for so long). Those were my thoughts anyway.