Ok Laurie and Bill... Definitely the kpt6 has strong possibilities... Mostly playing with the contrast is bringing out the petals... Also, I gotta do this scene in 800X600 for the gallery because that brings out the details in the lilies... I've also found a little color burn in a separate layer and bringing that in a little at a time gives this a depth of color that is missing right now.. The copper really looks like copper and the flowers look richer... So, I'm just applying the kpt6 to the white flowers but everythign else is using the photoshop effects... Thanks for info...