RHaseltine; yes, I have an account, I thought you had to have one. My studio has a plugin that came installed. (4.15.02 ) my goal is to take the installed one out of the studio, I own Octane bata as a stand-alone as it is, so I do not need the one that is in my studio.Ps I did get the plugin at one time from Daz but that was an other computer and system.