I do my refit work externally in Mudbox or Blender. To be honest Rob, every time I go to install DS on my machines I get irritated with all the additional crap that goes along with it. Once I see all that install manager stuff being put on my system I'm like "F*** that" lol. I'd love to be able to get my hands on some of those DS models in obj format to use in Poser, I guess going through all the additional weird Daz bloat is the only way.