There's a sale on iClone Character Creator. I bought it, just to goof around. Might have to be a fallback since I don't really wanna go back to Poser (can't do the figures) and Daz has really been pissing me off lately with the NFT's and especially with going back to almost completely female-centric again after they had made so much progress toward more male stuff. Not to mention that I loathe the new art director's taste in stuff. Some of the stuff released there recently I wouldn't take for a freebie, honestly. Some of it is barf-making. Quality AND quality control is in the toilet. It's not unlike venture capitalists to squeeze all the money they can from a company before running it into the ground. It's happened many, many times. I suspect it will with Daz if things stay as they are. Shame :(