Yippie! Perfect perfect perfect! Thank you jamball, just what I needed. Color coded and everything...that will make things a lot easier. And snowsultan has some great lighting sets too--woohoo! Getting the lighting to look good is the bane of my existence. I have downloaded UV mapper, but I haven't been able to figure it out very well yet. I thought there must be a Dork map laying around here somewhere so I could make some clean textures of my own. Mike and Vicki are great and all, but I like to use the P4 characters. There's lots of free stuff around so you can do fun things with them and not go broke. It's a lot harder to find stuff for the male though.