By the way, shame on RPublishing that they haven't produced a gown-length garment with skirt handles (left, right, front, back) for their "flagship" lady. How hard can this be? It would open the door for sales with an eye to convert for all manner of long gowns in the marketplace for Genesis 8 female. I convert Rhiannon's and other vendors' dresses all the time. The Poser Pulse is erratic.