Hey Angela Thanx a lot for the tips there, I can do the painting bits yeah, got Painter6, and PS6 too, I just need to figger out what settings to use, etc etc, to apply them correctly, coz mine always end up skew as heck... lol. But thanx for the hints there, I'll have a looky round for some tut's. Ta. Luthor :) PS. I just LOVED your comments on "trans and bums", hehehe. ;)