ok thats great, thankyou! #:O) I had real trouble even getting the eyebrows on there, thats why there missing (told you i was new to this lol). I added colour to the cheeks though as youll see from the first image compared to the second, just subtle though like blusher. Ill play around with that a bit more though :O) any idea on the eye lash shadow thing too, how do i make the shadows more prominent? Thanks for ripping my artowrk to pieces you B@#'rd lolol (only joking) thanks for the compliments and the critisisms.....if people dont tell me where im going wrong ill never learn :O) daz