"Also I see that fauve mentioned that it was going to be a pay site, (I guess fauve hung around long enough for it to load)." Fauve had some time to kill and a ISDN connection ... :-> There was a notice on either the first or second page (can't remember which) that the site was free "for now", but would soon become a pay site. I checked it out because I wondered what these folks think they have that Renderotica doesn't, to a point that would make people whip out their credit cards (among other, more obvious things... heh) to look at their pictures. This site confirmed what I've always thought, which is that there's no income potential in Poser porn.